The Future Of Money with Bernard A. Lietaer

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What exactly is money? Bernard Lietaer supplies us with this definition: "Money is not a thing; money lives in the same space as a marriage--in a space of agreement. Money is an agreement within a community to use something as a medium of exchange." Lietaer gives us tremendous insights into the origins and nature of money throughout history, as well as the impact electronic money (a product of the information revolution) is having on banking systems, corporations, communities and individuals. He offers suggestions on how we can tap into the opportunities that lie in our changing economic system, and how we can come up with different forms of currency, including locally based ones, that can create what he calls "sustainable abundance." (hosted by Michael Toms)


Lietaer (1942-2019) was an engineer, university professor, currency trader and fund manager. He was a research fellow at the Center for Sustainable Resources at the University of California, Berkeley and visiting professor at the department of psychology at Sonoma State University.

Topics Explored in This Dialogue

  • Examples of new forms of currency you can explore within your own community
  • The opportunities waiting in our current economic system
  • The secret of modern money
  • How money is actually created
  • What "sustainable abundance" means
  • How garbage became a form of currency in a Brazilian city
  • The origins of money and materialism in our society
Host: Michael Toms       Interview Date: 1/17/1998       Program Number: 2702