The Gurdjieff Tradition with J. G. Bennett, Robert de Ropp, Ph.D., Kathleen Speeth, Ph.D., and Charles Tart, Ph.D.

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A penetrating look at the philosophy of the Russian mystic George Gurdjieff. Speeth, author of The Gurdjieff Work; de Ropp, author of The Master Game; Tart, author of States of Consciousness, and Bennett, long-time student of Gurdjieff, all relate their personal experience of the teaching  in a free-flowing and wide-ranging manner. Remarkable introduction and overview of the work of Gurdjieff.


 Robert de Ropp, Ph.D. (1913-1987) was an English biochemist and a researcher and academic in that field. After retiring from biochemistry, he brought other long-time personal interests to the fore, becoming a prominent author in the fields of human potentials and the search for spiritual enlightenment. He met and was strongly influenced by P.D. Ouspensky whem he met in 1936. Later he met G.I. Gudjieff .

Robert de Ropp's books include:

  • The Master Game: Pathway to Higher Consciousness(Delta 1968)
  • Warrior's Way: The Changing Life Games (Dell 1979)

 To find out more about Robert de Ropp go to

J.G. Bennett (1897-1974) was a British academic and author. He is best known for his books on psychology and spirituality, particularly on the teachings of G. I. Gurdjieff. 

 J..G. Bennet's books include:

  • The Masters of Wisdom(The Collected Works of J.G. Bennett)  (Create Space 2018)
  • Lectures on Gurdjieff: 14 Public Lectures, 1949-1973 (The Collected Works of J.G. Bennett) (Independently published 2020)

To learn more about the work of J.G. Bennet go to

 Kathleen Speet, Ph.D. is a clinical psychologist and is a faculty member of the Institute for Transpersonal Psychology in Menlo Park, California.

 Kathleen Speeth is the author of:

  •  Gurdjieff:  Seeker of the Truth (Harper Colophon 1980)
  • The Gurdjieff Work (Library of Spiritual Classics (Tarcher/Perigee 1988)

 Charles T. Tart, Ph.D. is internationally known for his psychological work on the nature of consciousness, particularly on altered states of consciousness, and for his research in scientific parapsychology. He is one of the founders of the field of transpersonal psychology. Tart’s two classic books, Altered States of Consciousness (Doubleday 1972) and Transpersonal Psychologies (Harper Collins 1992), were instrumental in introducing these subjects to modern psychology. 

 Charles Tart, Ph.D. is the author of many books including:

  •  The End of Materialism: How Evidence of the Paranormal Is Bringing Science and Spirit Together (New Harbinger 2009)
  • The Secret Science of the Soul: How Evidence of the Paranormal Is Bringing Science and Spirit Together(Fearless Books 2017)
  • Altered States of Consciousness (Doubleday 1972)

Host: Michael Toms, Robert Wachman, Larry Geis    Interview Date: 12/11/1976   Program Number: 1133