Gurdjieff: The Enigma/The Message with Claudio Naranjo, M.D., Kathleen Speeth, Ph.D., Charles Tart, Ph.D.

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An exploration of the provocative and spiritually expansive world of George Ivanovitch Gurdjieff (1870-1949), with three persons actively engaged in understanding his teachings.


Claudio Naranjo, M.D.,(1932-2019) was a pioneer in the exploration of human consciousness and the Human Potential Movement, and is well known for bringing the Enneagram to the United States.

 Claudio Naranjo is the author of many books, including::

  • Character and Neurosis: An Integrative View (Gateway Books 2000)
  • The Enneagram of Society: Healing the Soul to Heal the World (Gateway Books 2005)
  • Healing Civilization (Gateway Books 2010)
  • The Healing Journey: Pioneering Approaches to Psychedelic Therapy (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies; 2nd edition 2013)
  • The Revolution We Expected: Transforming Education and Society for a Post-Patriarchal Future (Synergetic Press 2020)

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Kathleen Speeth, Ph.D. was a clinical psychologist, faculty member of the Institute for Transpersonal Psychology in Menlo Park, California, and co-editor of The Essential Psychologies.

 Kathleen Speeth is the author of:

  •  Gurdjieff: Seeker of the Truth (Harper Colophon 1980)
  • The Gurdjieff Work (Library of Spiritual Classics (Tarcher/Perigee 1988)

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 Charles T. Tart, Ph.D. is internationally known for his psychological work on the nature of consciousness, particularly on altered states of consciousness, and for his research in scientific parapsychology. He is one of the founders of the field of transpersonal psychology. Tart’s two classic books, Altered States of Consciousness (Doubleday 1972) and Transpersonal Psychologies (Harper Collins 1992), were instrumental in introducing these subjects to modern psychology.

Charles Tart, Ph.D. is the author of many books including:

  • The Secret Science of the Soul: How Evidence of the Paranormal Is Bringing Science and Spirit Together (Fearless Books 2017)
  • The End of Materialism: How Evidence of the Paranormal Is Bringing Science and Spirit Together (New Harbinger 2009)
  • Transpersonal Psychologies (Harper Collins 1992),
  • Altered States of Consciousness (Doubleday 1972)

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Host: Michael Toms, Robert Wachman   Interview Date: 7/12/81   Program Number: 1617