Breaking The Silence Across The Divide Of Death with Matthew McKay, Ph.D.

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Most people believe the loss of the body is the loss of life. When his 23-year-old son Jordan was suddenly shot and killed, for Matthew McKay, it was not the end of Jordan’s life. It was the beginning of a quest to penetrate the veil of death through some extraordinary communications. These virtual conversations led Matthew to coauthor a book with his son. Although a scientist by training, upon the death of his son, McKay asked himself: Does that soul still exist and is Jordan okay? Through channeled writing and other techniques, McKay was able to have conversations with his son about the nature of “life-between-lives”. Jordan describes this as a classroom. He describes "our soul group”, which is like a repertory company that just keeps showing up in life with the same people but often in different relationships . . . these relationships are happening over and over again, life after life, and we’re learning from them. It is an improv group and is not scripted. The purpose is to learn even through the pain. After working with mediums, through channeled writing, through induced after-death communication, through hypnotic regressions into past lives, McKay says: “Every means I’ve taken to learn about the afterlife has confirmed that there is no loss, there is no death in any real sense, that souls continue to stay connected. This is immutable and our aloneness is an illusion. These losses that we suffer so deeply are illusory. They are experiences to teach us.” (hosted by Justine Willis Toms)


Matthew McKay, Ph.D. is a clinical psychologist and professor at The Wright Institute in Berkeley, CA. The Wright Institute offers Masters and Ph.D. programs to psychologists and provides support and evaluation for the research needs of its students. McKay is also the founder and publisher at New Harbinger Publications.

He's the author and co-author of many books, including:

To learn more about the work of Matthew McKay go to

Topics Explored in This Dialogue

  • How nothing, including love, is lost in the universe
  • Why death is not the end of consciousness
  • What is channeled writing and how do we know we are not making it up
  • What did McKay’s colleagues think of his pursuit of these paranormal conversations
  • How the purpose of life is to learn and to become more awake
  • How soul groups work through reincarnation
  • How we access the lessons we learn from one life to another
  • Why doubt is a better teacher than certainty
  • What is consciousness and how does God evolve
  • How the experience of time is different in the afterlife

Host: Justine Willis Toms       Interview Date: 4/28/2016      Program Number: 3572

Music Playlist

From Album: Amber
Artist: Michael Jones & David Darling
1987 Narada #CD-1014

Opening Essay: Track 01 Rainfall
Music Break 1: Track 01 Rainfall (reprise)
Music Break 2: Track 02 Sunshine Canyon
Music Break 3: Track 04 Wu Wei