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In this inspiring episode from 1990, Joanna Macy, Ph.D., a renowned scholar of Buddhism, general systems theory, and deep ecology, discusses her extensive work on confronting despair and cultivating empowerment amidst planetary crises. Macy shares her personal journey with nuclear waste issues and highlights the importance of recognizing our interdependence through spiritual practices and collective action. She introduces the innovative concept of the “beings of the three times”—past, present, and future—which encourages us to foster solidarity with ancestors, current allies, and future generations. Macy elaborates on practices like the “Parsifal exercise” to awaken truth-telling and vitality, and explores the “greening of the self,” a shift towards understanding an ecological self rooted in interconnectedness and love. She emphasizes the significance of establishing “Guardian sites” for the mindful safekeeping of radioactive waste, drawing from ancient spiritual traditions to care for future generations. Macy’s insights inspire us to embrace spiritual awakening as a vital component of global healing and sustainability. (hosted by Michael Toms)
Joanna Macy, Ph.D., (1929-2025) was an eco-philosopher and a respected voice in the peace, justice, and ecology movements. She was the author of many books and a scholar of Buddhism, systems thinking, and deep ecology. As the root teacher of the Work That Reconnects, Macy has created a groundbreaking framework for personal and social change that brings a new way of seeing the world as our larger body.
Joanna Macy’s books include:
To learn more about the work of Joanna Macy go to www.JoannaMacy.net
Topics explored in this dialogue include:
● The three great revolutions of human history
● Confronting despair through spiritual awakening and eco-psychology
● The concept of “being of the three times” and intergenerational responsibility
● Techniques like the “Parsifal exercise” for vitality and truth-telling
● The “greening of the self” and understanding the ecological self
● Establishing Guardian sites for nuclear waste and future generations
● Recognizing the interconnectedness of all life to foster hope and action
Host: Justine Willis Toms Interview Date: 5/23/1990 Program Number: #2198