Worldwork: Ways to Personal and Global Wholeness with Amy Mindell, Ph.D. & Arnold Mindell, Ph.D.

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Here is a practical, creative answer to the criticism that psychotherapy focuses too much on individuals' pasts and problems. The Mindells bring the empathetic techniques of their psychotherapeutic background to volatile sociopolitical issues such as gay rights, racism and sexism, as they work with large, polarized groups toward truth-speaking and mutual understanding. "If you want freedom," says Arnold, "there's a price that you have to pay to get it: learning how to bear the difficulties and tensions that really do exist. Without paying that price, freedom doesn't exist." The astounding response to their work speaks of exciting possibilities for finding truth and healing on a larger social scale. (hosted by Michael Toms)


Arnold Mindell, Ph.D. (1940-2024) was a diplomate of the Process Oriented Psychology Center of Zurich. A psychotherapist using the model of process oriented psychology and the originator of "dreambody" psychotherapy. 

Amy Mindell, Ph.D. is a diplomate of the Process Oriented Psychology Center of Zurich. 

Together they have taught seminars around the world using the process oriented psychology and consult with individuals in private practice, and also work with families, organizations, and governments. They have led WorldWork intensives around the world.

Arnold Mindell is the author of:

They are co-authors of:

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Topics Explored in This Dialogue

  • Taking responsibility for problems around you
  • The power of "Ouch!"
  • Dreams, psychology, quantum physics and social action
  • Town meetings as group psychotherapy on a municipal level
  • The healing potential of listening to marginalized people
  • How this dynamic couple originally came together
  • The "price of liberty" that cannot be paid by legislation
  • Arny's guerrilla psychotherapy practice in public places
  • The need for listening to those who are emotionally upset
  • Questioning your own assumptions about social rank and its effects

Host: Michael Toms       Interview Date: 3/2/1995        Program Number: 2516