The Universe Is A Story with Brian Swimme, Ph.D.

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Science, humanity and the natural world have all suffered from a myopic fragmentation of scientific knowledge, according to cosmologist Brian Swimme. Yet some voices in physics today are beginning to echo the wonder and mystery of ancient mystical intuitions, and to present a more unified view of the nature and history of the world. "The universe is a story. It's not a place, it's an event," says Swimme. A new "story of the universe" may come to serve the modern world as primitive myths served in their time, embracing modern scientific knowledge as well as ancient spiritual concepts. (hosted by Michael Toms)


Brian Swimme, Ph.D. is a mathematical cosmologist on the graduate faculty of the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco. Swimme was featured in the television series Soul of the Universe (The BBC, 1991) and The Sacred Balance produced by David Suzuki (CBC and PBS, 2003). He is the producer of a twelve-part DVD series, Canticle to the Cosmos, which has been distributed worldwide.

Other DVD programs featuring Swimme's ideas include:

His books include:

To learn more about the work of Brian Swimme go to

Topics Explored in This Dialogue

    • How have we lost the whole by looking only at the parts
    • How the split between science and religion came about
    • What is the importance of economics within the Earth's own on-going story
    • How Einstein discovered that imagination was more than facts
    • How we are entering the Ecozoic era

    Host: Michael Toms      Interview Date: 10/25/1990      Program Number: 2218

    Music Included

    From Album: Music to Disappear In
    Artist: Raphael
    1988 Hearts of Space #HS11005-2

    From Album: Swans in July
    Artist: Bluemair
    ITI Records #ITI 703CD
    Track - Lagoon

    From Album: Light of the Spirit
    Artist: Kitaro
    Geffen Records #9 24163-2