The Gospels Of Jesus: A Map Of Transformation with Alexander Shaia, Ph.D.

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From the four seasons of nature to the four noble truths, in major religions, the various schools of psychology, and the world around us, we see the number four as integral to life and its cycles. Alexander Shaia sees the same cyclical pattern in the four Gospels, four distinct tenets of spiritual practice which lead us to a deep transformative process of faith. Dr. Shaia tells us, “There is a deep truth about how we move through transformation, and that truth of transformation is in four paths that make up the one cycle of the journey. The early Church knew that cycle of transformation.” He illustrates that each Gospel is not just a chronicle of the life and words of Jesus, “[B]ut the life of Jesus as a practice of the four great questions of life.” In this fascinating new study he interprets Matthew, Mark, John, and Luke as four chapters of one unified Gospel that explores change, suffering, joy, and service. Dr. Shaia’s work will bring new meaning to the Gospels you’ve read for so many years, and new answers to the questions you face every day. (hosted by Justine Willis Toms)


Alexander Shaia, Ph.D. holds master’s degrees in counseling education and religious education, a graduate certificate in pastoral psychotherapy, and a doctorate in clinical psychology. He is founding director of the Blue Door Retreat Center in Santa Fe, and travels internationally, lecturing and conducting workshops and retreats.

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Topics Explored in This Dialogue

  • Why the early Church chose the four gospels they did—and none of the others
  • What the gospels have to say about how we face global warming
  • What happened to the other gospels, which were discarded
  • How spirituality is integrated with psychology
  • Why it’s so important for you to receive joy

Host: Justine Willis Toms   Interview Date: 4/27/2010   Program Number: 3353

Music Playlist

From Album: Call of the Mystic
Artist: KarunesH
2004 Real Music RM 4159

Opening Essay: Track 04 Mount Kailash
Music Break 1: Track 01 For the Joy of it All
Music Break 2: Track 08 Ancient Voices
Music Break 3: Track 03 Monsoon's Dance