Roping The Sacred Cows: Learning To Question Authority with Joel Kramer & Diana Alstad

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Pervading all societies are structures that dictate limits to freedom--many quite hidden and unexamined. But this moment in history, says Joel Kramer, is a historical crossroads when "the moral order, the glue that has held civilizations together, begins to unravel"--a time to escape authoritarian constraints and move into self-trust and creativity. The San Francisco Chronicle called The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power (North Atlantic Books 1993) "easily the most comprehensive, erudite and timely book" on the subject. Here its authors articulate their provocative and rarely voiced ideas about how to move beyond authoritarianism on social, spiritual and personal levels. (hosted by Michael Toms)


Joel Kramer is an internationally acknowledged yoga adept, and Diana Alstad initiated the first Women's Studies courses at Yale and Duke Universities. Joel Kramer and Diana Alstad are the authors of:

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Topics Explored in This Dialogue

  • How the "social virus of hidden authoritarianism" affects your actions
  • The crucial choices at this moment in civilization's history
  • A new look at the roots of racism, violence and addictions
  • The hidden aspects of competition and cooperation
  • A critique of channeling, the Course in Miracles and 12-step programs
  • Distinguishing between the experience and ideology of mysticism
  • Maintaining the paradox of unity and individuation
  • How "the philosophy of renunciation" affects you
  • The dangers of enlightenment

Host: Michael Toms      Interview Date: 10/17/1995      Program Number: 2549