From Religiosity To Spirituality with Father Matthew Fox, Ph.D.

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Matthew Fox’s spiritual enthusiasm has taken him beyond the dogma of the Catholic Church and for this he’s been censored by the Vatican and ultimately expelled from the order of the Dominicans. However, this has not stilled his voice for a theology that both harkens back to such religious philosophers as Thomas Aquinas, Hildegard of Bingen, and Meister Eckhart, and includes the more recent voices of Suzuki Roshi and Thomas Merton. For example, Fox is tapping into a mystical cosmology when he talks about prayer. “I knew that in native languages there’s no word for art, there’s no word for religion but [a Lakota teacher] said there was no word for prayer until the missionaries came from Europe. They demanded that they make up a word for prayer. So they said we just sat around and made up a word which really means to shout out, but he said there’s no word for prayer. And that’s exactly what I meant by swimming in a matrix. Prayer is not something you do aside from the breathing you do every day, and the decisions you make every day, and the choices you make. That’s prayer. It’s utterly non-dualistic in the native tradition, that’s why they don’t have a word for it. It’s like breathing. This fits very much with my idea that prayer is swimming and prayer is a radical response to life.” Fox continues his priesthood as an Episcopal priest and has developed the richly dynamic and numinous, Cosmic Mass. (hosted by Justine Willis Toms)


Father Matthew Fox is a priest and was a member of the Dominican Order of the Catholic Church for thirty-four years. For speaking out on women’s rights, gay rights, and Native American rights, he was silenced for a year and later expelled from the Dominican Order under the papacies of John Paul II and Benedict XVI. He then joined the Episcopal Church to work with young people to create postmodern forms of ritual and worship known as the “Cosmic Mass” that incorporates dance, DJ, VJ, rap, and other postmodern art forms. He is the co-founder of the Order of the Sacred Earth and, since Mother’s day 2019, has offered free daily meditations. He holds a doctorate in History and Theology of Spirituality and is founder of the University of Creation Spirituality.

Dr. Fox is the author of more than thirty books including:

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Topics Explored in This Dialogue

  • Fox’s early inspiration and influences toward joining a religious order
  • How prayer is a radical response to life
  • How taking on the Vatican is like standing in front of a moving train
  • Why he speaks out for the LGBTQ community
  • How the Second Vatican Council was a breath of fresh air for progressives in the Catholic Church.
  • How Saint Hildegard of Bingen was fiercely advocating for the divine feminine in the 12th century
  • What was the outcome of Fox visiting the Brazilian theologian Leonardo Boff
  • Why Fox decided to continue in the priesthood as an Episcopal priest
  • Why canonizing Father Junipero Serra is a scandal
  • What is the Cosmic Mass and why did he develop it

Host: Justine Willis Toms   Interview Date: 10/8/2015   Program Number: 3560

Music Playlist

From Album: Cymbalom Solos
Artist: Michael Masley
1995 Supersaturated Records-002

Opening Essay: Track 01 Soleil
Music Break 1: Track 07 The Sea As Moon-Launched Mirror
Music Break 2: Track 02 Sleepdance: On Leaves of Water
Music Break 3: Track 03 Music To Look For Something Lost By