A Time for Choices, Part 9: Roots of War/Seeds of Peace with Derrick Jensen and Kathy Kelly

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This one hour program is a two part interview, Kathy Kelly is first, followed by Derrick Jensen.

Special report from an American activist, who, as a gesture of peace, traveled to Baghdad, Iraq. Kathy Kelly, the Co-founder of Voices in the Wilderness and The Iraq Peace Team, describes the human face of war she saw as she hunkered down with Iraqi families, while “shock and awe” bombs literally exploded around her. From the devastated streets of Baghdad, we turn to the serene coastal forests of the Pacific Northwest for a writer’s perspective on these pivotal times, a perspective which is steeped in history, informed analysis, and the rhythms of nature. Derrick Jensen, the author of the books Listening to the Land (Context Books 2000); A Language Older than Words (Context Books 2000); and The Culture of Make Believe (Context Books 2002), sifts through the rubble and fallout of the “war on terrorism.” With startling clarity, both guests probe for the roots of war making, they unearth meaning, and offer direction for what to do in this ever smaller 21st century world.


Derrick Jensen is an environmental activist, lecturer, and teacher. He sees civilization to be inherently unsustainable and based on violence.

His books include:

    To learn more about the work of Derrick Jensen go to www.derrickjensen.org.

     Kathy Kelly is an American peace activist, pacifist and author, one of the founding members of Voices in the Wilderness, and currently a co-coordinator of Voices for Creative Nonviolence.

     She is the author of:

    • Other Lands Have Dreams: From Baghdad to Pekin Prison (Counterpunch Books/AK Press, 2005)

     To learn more about the work of Kathy Kelly go to http://vcnv.org/kathy-kelly-long-version/

    Topics explored in this dialogue include: 

    • Why is witnessing important
    • How you can be an activist for peace in your daily life
    • What is real security all about
    • What are risks of action vs. the positives of inaction
    • Why life is really, really good

     Host: Michael Toms   Interview Date: 5/1/2003     Program Number: 2990